Michigan’s Dumbest

No BS Newshour Episode #383

Michigan’s Dumbest

 

(0:04)  Lisa Cook, our vagabond governor of the Federal Reserve has a lot of houses, a lot of excuses and a full-blown federal fraud investigation.

And with new tax records we have unearthed, things may have just gotten a whole lot worse for Madam Governor.

(17:13)  The whole thing is as embarrassing as it is outrageous. 

Gov. Cook needs to fess up, pay up, pack her bags up and shut the f up.

 

(31:22)  Dana does it again.  Our dimwit AG loses another big one. The judge says the 15 “fake electors” were not trying to commit fraud.  Of course, Dum Dum admitted as much two years ago. Watch as she gets laughed out of court.

 

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Transcripts:

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I was wondering if Lisa Cook lives here or do you rent?

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You remember last week when I knocked on Federal Reserve

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Board Governor Lisa Cook’s door in Ann Arbor?

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Governor, where do you live?

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She claims she lives there on her tax papers,

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but she doesn’t live there.

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I found out she lives in D.C.

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That’s tax fraud.

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That’s a felony.

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I even got her phone number.

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At the tone,

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please record your message.

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Hi, Lisa.

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It’s Charlie Lidoff,

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the reporter in Detroit.

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I found out you’re living in DC,

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but you’re claiming residence on your Ann Arbor home

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for the tax break.

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You’re in charge of mortgages.

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Isn’t that tax fraud?

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Will you be resigning,

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madam?

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Give me a call.

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Bye-bye.

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Have a nice day.

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Well, who put her name on the tax papers in Ann Arbor?

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So I called her property manager there,

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Bob.

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Your call has been forwarded to voicemail.

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Hey Bob, it’s Charlie Ladup,

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reporter in Detroit.

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I noticed that you’re the guy handling Lisa Cook’s

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Ann Arbor property.

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She doesn’t live there,

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but she’s claiming tax exemption like she does,

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so I’m wondering,

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Who did that?

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Who put her name on the taxpayer?

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Was it you?

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Was it her?

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Was it some phantom?

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I don’t know,

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but anyway,

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give me a call.

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Have a great day and Go Blue.

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Really confused now,

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I reached out to Ann Arbor real estate attorney,

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Matt Wilk.

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He might know something.

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Hello.

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Hey, hello,

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Matt.

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This is Charlie Ladop,

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a reporter in Detroit.

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Hey, Charlie,

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how you doing?

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Hold on a second,

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Matt.

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I can’t hear you.

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Is that fraud what she did?

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Absolutely,

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it’s fraud.

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And how much is she saving by ripping off the taxpayers?

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She’s ripping off the taxpayers to about $2,800 a year.

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For the taxes and then what about the mortgage?

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How much does she save on that?

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Mortgage about 3,000 bucks a year.

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So about 6 grand?

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About 6 grand a year.

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And it makes no sense at all.

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She could give a speech for $50,000 anytime she wants.

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Why is she cheating the taxpayer to the tune of about

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6 grand a year?

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It’s fucking outrageous.

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It’s outrageous.

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Okay, I’ll find out what’s going on.

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when I get a hold of her.

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Listen, thanks for your time.

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Thanks.

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Bye-bye.

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Bye-bye.

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What’s up,

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brother?

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Morning, Charlie.

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Mark Brewer.

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Former chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party.

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Are you also a delegate to the DNC?

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I was when I was party chair,

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Charlie.

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Not anymore.

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Is this some breaking news?

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Did you quit the Democrats?

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No, I’m still very much a Democrat.

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Represent Democrats,

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vote Democratic,

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but I’m not a party officer anymore.

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Thank God,

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he’s like the only Democrat that’ll talk to me.

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All right.

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Depends on the questions,

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Charlie.

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You know, there’s breaking news on that,

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which is the federal district court judge.

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said that Trump does not have cause to fire Federal

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Reserve Governor Lisa Cook.

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You’re a lawyer.

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Does that make sense to you?

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I think it does.

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All of what Trump is doing,

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attacking Lisa Cook,

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is all designed so he can take control of the Federal

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Reserve because he’s upset that they won’t drop interest

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rates and artificially boost the economy.

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to boost his presidency.

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So that’s the bigger picture of what’s going on here.

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People should absolutely obey the law,

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but the law should be enforced equally.

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If there are other people who have committed mortgage

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fraud, they should be prosecuted too.

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So we’ll let this play out in court.

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We’ll let this play out in court.

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But again,

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this is the big picture here is this is about the

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independence of the Federal Reserve,

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which is really important.

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We’ve agreed to it on a bipartisan basis for decades.

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that you don’t use politics as a motivation to tamper

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with the economy.

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Well, all notions of decorum and history and norms

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is gone.

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Under Trump,

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yes.

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And the Democrats.

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We’ve seen Trump break norm after norm after norm,

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trying to expand his power unilaterally,

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walk all over Congress’s power to appropriate.

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defy court orders,

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which no president has done before.

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And this is part of that pattern.

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Didn’t Biden defy court orders when he decided he’s

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going to forgive student loans anyway?

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They’re a tried alternative means to get to the same

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goal, but he never disobeyed a court order.

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Which one did Trump disobey?

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There are two numerous–

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Give me one,

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just so I can think about it.

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Well, we have people being deported in defiance of

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court orders.

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We have people being fired.

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Which one?

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Who got who got deported in defiance?

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We had the famous infamous incident last winter where

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somebody was deported was deported in defiance of

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a court order,

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and it’s been a real pattern with his presidency.

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Deported.

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He was adjudicated,

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deported,

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but not to El Salvador,

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right?

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And the court told him,

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told the administration to bring him back.

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And they did.

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Eventually,

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after a long period of defiance,

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but now they’re trying to find some other rationale,

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some other reason to throw him out of the country.

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Well, no, he’s,

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there’s not another,

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they’re trying to find a place to put him.

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He’s already been adjudicated to be deported,

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twice.

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right?

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again, I’m just trying to get it straight.

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Everybody has due process in this country.

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They have a right to challenge.

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And you’re going to port the guy to some country that

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he doesn’t speak the language he’s not from.

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I mean, what kind of treatment is that?

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But the Supreme Court,

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Supreme Court said you could do that.

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That’s not the final word.

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So what the Supreme Court is doing also here is issuing

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a lot of temporary orders without hearing the case

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in full.

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That’s allowing Trump to vote for it.

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So we’ll see how this all plays out in the long run.

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There’s a lot of

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have full-blown cases like Trump’s illegal tariffs

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on their way to the United States Supreme Court for

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a final ruling.

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So we’ll see how it all plays out.

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So perhaps they’re not illegal.

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We got to see what the court ultimately decides.

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That’s correct.

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But Trump has lost the overwhelming majority of these

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court cases in the lower courts.

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Yeah, and I think the Supreme Court also overturned

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most of those and told the lower courts that you don’t

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have jurisdiction writ large.

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You better bring somebody specific to me and I’ll adjudicate.

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That was a single case,

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Charlie.

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But that’s a very big deal.

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That’s a single case in terms of nationwide injunctions.

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That’s what that case was about.

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But there are alternative ways to see such

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leave people can file a class action,

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for example.

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Yes.

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And what we’re now seeing is that going on as well

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as cases brought so that these nationwide jurisdictions

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aren’t jurisdiction issues aren’t an issue in the

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case.

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Again, these temporary orders that the court has issued

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Very little due process,

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if any.

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No oral argument,

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no briefing,

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no decision.

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Sometimes we just get an order temporarily lifting

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what the lower court has done.

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That’s not the way a judicial system should operate.

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I know, you know,

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you’re like,

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you’re the hitman.

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You’re a killer,

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you know,

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and an excellent lawyer.

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And I’ve just been watching for 10 years.

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And the whole thing’s…

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The whole system’s weaponized.

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I like, this is,

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the Constitution.

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Article 1,

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Article 2,

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Article 3,

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right?

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The legislature,

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the Congress,

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the President,

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and the Supreme Court.

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But they’re only pieces of paper and there’s so much

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gray area outside the paper.

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Like for instance,

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the Supreme Court tells you to do something,

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the executive,

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and he doesn’t do it.

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wasn’t an Andrew Jackson that said,

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what army do you got?

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How are you going to enforce this stuff?

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That’s what the courts are for.

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The law fair.

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And to respect the courts and to respect the separation

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of powers.

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Congress has its role,

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like appropriating money and providing oversight.

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Trump is trampling all over that.

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Again, disrespect for the judicial system,

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trying to unilaterally remove people like Lisa Cook

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and others.

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from their jobs in defiance a lot of times of prior

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Supreme Court rulings and they go back decades.

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So he’s really testing the limits,

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frankly, of our system.

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I wouldn’t argue with that,

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but I would also argue that the courts have become

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weaponized.

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I’ll just give you a simple one.

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Trump is what are the 36 felony convictions for the

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hush money and the

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illegal business paperwork,

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illegal filing that amplifies whatever charge,

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superseding charge it was.

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That’s total weaponization because the Democrats,

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Hillary Clinton,

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as you know,

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her campaign was based in Brooklyn,

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Brooklyn,

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and the Federal Election Commission

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fined the Clinton campaign and the DNC for fucking

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around with the paperwork,

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right?

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Trying to hide receipts as legal fees.

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So if Trump’s guilty of some superseding charge that

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we were never told about,

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why has the Clinton campaign,

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Hillary Clinton herself,

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never been brought to the bench?

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Look, you see what I’m saying?

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You see what I’m saying?

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Look, everybody should obey the law.

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And if you are prosecuted,

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found guilty,

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or you’re found guilty of something that leads to

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a fine, you have due process

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rights and those rights apply to everybody.

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Trump is trampling over all of that in terms of denying

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people due process rights,

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denying them their date in court is unilaterally trying

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to push the limits of the presidency as far as he

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can.

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I know you got a copy of the Declaration of Independence

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on the wall here.

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One of the reasons we declared our independence was

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because we didn’t want tyrannical kings ruling over

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us.

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That is where Trump is taking us back to the days of

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King George the Third,

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where he’s at,

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and the courts and the Congress and the rest of us

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have to obey his dictates.

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Well, this is not a democracy.

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This went out with Jackson.

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It went out with Lincoln.

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It went out with FDR.

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I mean, not to the extent that we have here.

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They respected court orders.

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FDR lost a lot of court cases,

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and he had to rework his program and so forth.

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We have never had a president who’s defied that not

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only just the Constitution,

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but the norms we’ve operated under,

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like Trump.

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Okay, again.

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And descending into an authoritarian.

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Again, you still haven’t given me a specific topic

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of a court order that he’s defied.

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Again,

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Illegal immigrants are not afforded the same due process

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that citizens have.

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They don’t have all the same rights.

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But if a judge says.

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But he said,

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right, that’s important to hear.

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If a judge says,

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bring that person back from El Salvador,

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where you dumped him into one of the most notorious

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prisons in the entire world,

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that order should be obeyed and not messed around

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with said,

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well, he’s not really in our control.

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That’s nonsense.

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You sent him there.

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You have an arrangement with that government to incarcerate

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him there.

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Yes.

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Bring him back.

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I agree with that.

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I do.

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Eventually he’s back.

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So now what’s the next Supreme Court decision that

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he’s defied?

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I need to know that.

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Well, again,

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what he’s done is gotten a lot of these temporary

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orders, which have lifted the lower court orders,

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which have been against him.

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So we’ll see.

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Again, a lot of these cases are now working their way.

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He’s asked the Supreme Court to take the tariff case

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on an expedited basis.

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Federal courts have almost unanimously ruled that his

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tariff

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Assertion,

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the assertion of authority to unilaterally impose

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terrorists is illegal,

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violates the law,

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and so that’s on its way to the Street Court.

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Because he’s usurping that power under the,

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under the veil of like it’s a national emergency.

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power to impose tariffs.

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He can’t unilaterally decide,

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and frankly,

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on an arbitrary basis,

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just because I don’t like what Japan did yesterday

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or I don’t like what France is doing tomorrow,

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I’m going to impose a tariff on them.

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He’s using them in a punitive and illegal way.

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So that’s the kind of case that’s on its way there.

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I think the case with Lisa Cook and her firing,

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which has been temporarily blocked,

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that will make its way to Supreme Court,

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too, because that’s very important that we preserve

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the independence of the Federal Reserve Board.

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But he’s also fired people on the National Labor Relations

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the Federal Trade Commission,

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all these independent agencies,

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which are set up in a way to be insulated from political

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influence.

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The Supreme Court just ruled that the guy he fired

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on the Federal Trade Commission,

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that was a legal action.

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Well, again,

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it was not illegal action,

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but illegal action.

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It was one of these temporary orders that said the

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firing can stand until the full appeal plays out.

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Exactly.

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So it was not a final ruling.

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Right.

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So all of that is it’s like let it play out.

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So what the Supreme Court’s telling the lower courts

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is, is

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Let the process play.

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The court can’t just unilaterally decide the powers

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of the executive branch.

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It has to play out.

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Well, it’s not clear what the Supreme Court’s telling

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us because in many of these decisions,

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Charlie, they’re not explaining their rationale.

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So all these lower court judges,

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all they know is that their decision got stayed or

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got temporarily reversed.

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They don’t know why.

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Okay.

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And people have a right to go to court,

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win or lose,

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and then,

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you know,

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the losing side can appeal.

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But the court is not

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giving us any guidance about what principles are you

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using to make these decisions?

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And that’s another part of the real problem here.

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Again, a lot of this is done very quickly,

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not adequate briefing.

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The public doesn’t know what’s going on until we get

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this mysterious order sometimes in the middle of the

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night that says,

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oh, this lower court decision has stayed and the firing

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stands.

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Now,

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It’s Mark Brewer,

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Democratic hitman.

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Well, how long were you chair of the state party?

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I was chair of the Michigan Democratic Party for 18

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years.

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Best job I ever had.

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Dude, and you’re the guy.

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Remember when the five Republican,

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Mark, the five Republican candidates for governor

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got booted off the ballot because their signatures

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were fake?

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Oh yeah, big time.

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You know who realized?

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I would guess that it’s probably your guest,

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Mark Brewer.

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I was the lawyer in that case that challenged God,

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this guy’s awesome.

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The case that I brought challenged Craig,

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and there was clearly…

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massive fraud,

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massive signature forgery in those petitions.

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And it turned out that I think at least four other

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candidates had similar problems.

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And that’s why ultimately five of them got thrown off

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the ballot.

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And how did that work?

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Were you just lying in wait or like that all of a sudden

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they show up and you’re like,

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hey, wait a minute.

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Well, you file your petitions and then the public is

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entitled to get copies.

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You’re a big user of the Freedom of Information Act,

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right?

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That’s how it works.

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It costs me a lot of money.

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You get copies and then you review them.

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And

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You know, it is a lot of intensive work.

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A lot of good folks that worked with me to go through

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and compare signatures from petition to petition.

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And then you present that evidence saying,

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look, this signature of

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This person doesn’t match this person over there.

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You also see patterns.

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Charlie, you’ve been around a long time.

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You see patterns where every signature on a page is

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in the same handwriting.

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It’s got the same slant.

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It’s got the same type of capitalization.

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There are tells,

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right, that indicate or suggest strongly that there’s

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forgery.

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So that’s kind of evidence we brought to the board

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of canvassers.

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They investigated themselves independently and concluded

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that, again,

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across the board,

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these signatures were forged and these candidates

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weren’t qualified for the ballot.

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You don’t have a long time to file your challenge.

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So were you guys like,

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you have to get right on it.

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Do one of your helpers go,

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hey, look at this,

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boss.

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Well, we set up a system and others do this.

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I’m not the only one that does this.

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You set up a system.

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You have seven days after the filing deadline to file

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your challenge,

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Charlie.

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But if they file their petitions early,

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you can get copies early.

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And then you’ve got more time to more thoroughly go

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through them and look for this.

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But you still gotta have evidence.

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You can’t just walk in there and say,

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I think candidate Charlie forged his signatures.

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You gotta provide evidence.

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So you know every trick in the book,

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man.

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Not a trick,

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Charlie.

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It’s, you know,

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people are entitled to be on the ballot.

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I’m a big defender of that.

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I help people get on the ballot all the time.

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But you got to follow the rules to get on the ballot.

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And the rules are in Michigan,

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you’ve got to have at least 15,000 valid signatures

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to be a statewide candidate.

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And because of this forgery,

527
00:16:24,880 –> 00:16:26,800
Craig and these others were way below that.

528
00:16:26,800 –> 00:16:27,520
Do you think

529
00:16:28,840 –> 00:16:31,600
Non-citizens should be able to vote in state and local

530
00:16:31,600 –> 00:16:32,080
elections?

531
00:16:32,120 –> 00:16:32,560
No, I mean,

532
00:16:32,560 –> 00:16:34,320
that’s already part of a constitution.

533
00:16:34,320 –> 00:16:35,440
You have to be a citizen to vote.

534
00:16:36,360 –> 00:16:37,120
And federally?

535
00:16:37,960 –> 00:16:38,640
In Michigan.

536
00:16:39,200 –> 00:16:40,400
Oh, the state constitution?

537
00:16:40,440 –> 00:16:42,640
Yeah, the state constitution under,

538
00:16:43,160 –> 00:16:43,800
it’s always been a law,

539
00:16:43,800 –> 00:16:44,880
but in 2018,

540
00:16:44,880 –> 00:16:48,160
we passed a ballot proposal that expanded voting rights,

541
00:16:48,160 –> 00:16:50,160
but it was very clear that these rights only apply

542
00:16:50,160 –> 00:16:50,960
to citizens.

543
00:16:51,520 –> 00:16:52,000
Huh, okay,

544
00:16:52,000 –> 00:16:52,800
that’s some news.

545
00:16:53,720 –> 00:16:56,320
It’s been on the Constitution since 2018,

546
00:16:56,320 –> 00:16:56,640
Charlie.

547
00:16:56,640 –> 00:16:57,320
Glad to have you.

548
00:16:58,160 –> 00:16:59,280
You know, I don’t know everything,

549
00:16:59,280 –> 00:16:59,520
Mark.

550
00:17:00,800 –> 00:17:01,200
All right,

551
00:17:01,280 –> 00:17:03,800
let me just finish up with Lisa Cook here,

552
00:17:03,800 –> 00:17:06,400
and then we’ll come back and talk what’s going on

553
00:17:06,400 –> 00:17:08,040
in Michigan and Detroit.

554
00:17:08,880 –> 00:17:10,000
Ann Arbor Public Schools,

555
00:17:10,000 –> 00:17:10,320
as you know,

556
00:17:10,320 –> 00:17:11,120
need money,

557
00:17:11,520 –> 00:17:13,920
but Lisa Cook apparently needs money more.

558
00:17:14,400 –> 00:17:17,120
Cook, our vagabond governor on the Federal Reserve,

559
00:17:17,440 –> 00:17:18,640
has a lot of houses.

560
00:17:19,160 –> 00:17:20,120
a lot of excuses,

561
00:17:20,120 –> 00:17:22,480
and a full-blown federal fraud investigation.

562
00:17:22,480 –> 00:17:25,520
And now, with new tax records that we have unearthed,

563
00:17:26,320 –> 00:17:28,320
things may have just gotten a whole lot worse for

564
00:17:28,320 –> 00:17:29,040
Madam Governor.

565
00:17:29,800 –> 00:17:31,200
Give me some background here.

566
00:17:31,200 –> 00:17:33,040
Somehow Cook can afford three houses,

567
00:17:33,040 –> 00:17:33,840
one in Cambridge,

568
00:17:33,840 –> 00:17:34,560
Massachusetts,

569
00:17:34,720 –> 00:17:35,480
one in Atlanta,

570
00:17:35,480 –> 00:17:37,440
Georgia, and the third here in Ann Arbor,

571
00:17:37,440 –> 00:17:38,000
Michigan.

572
00:17:38,360 –> 00:17:41,840
When the filing of the financial paperwork back in

573
00:17:41,840 –> 00:17:44,800
2021, Cook claimed she lived in all three.

574
00:17:45,560 –> 00:17:47,680
primary residences to get the mortgages.

575
00:17:47,840 –> 00:17:49,520
That’s not possible to live in all three.

576
00:17:50,080 –> 00:17:52,560
The Trump administration alleges that Cook cheated

577
00:17:52,560 –> 00:17:55,200
on those mortgages to get favorable loan terms,

578
00:17:55,320 –> 00:17:57,200
which would be fraud.

579
00:17:57,920 –> 00:17:58,800
Now, here’s the news.

580
00:17:58,880 –> 00:18:00,240
When all is said and done,

581
00:18:00,560 –> 00:18:03,600
it may be that the Ann Arbor house is her undoing.

582
00:18:04,440 –> 00:18:07,520
Cook has again listed the 100-year-old house as her

583
00:18:07,520 –> 00:18:08,480
permanent home,

584
00:18:08,880 –> 00:18:12,000
allowing her to claim a primary residence exemption,

585
00:18:12,160 –> 00:18:15,840
a PRE, which lowers her tax bill by thousands of dollars

586
00:18:15,880 –> 00:18:16,240
a year.

587
00:18:16,480 –> 00:18:19,600
That money would otherwise go to educate Ann Arbor’s

588
00:18:19,600 –> 00:18:20,640
public school kids.

589
00:18:20,960 –> 00:18:21,920
Now here’s the problem.

590
00:18:22,400 –> 00:18:26,080
Cook also registered the house this past April as a

591
00:18:26,080 –> 00:18:29,040
certified rental property with the city of Ann Arbor.

592
00:18:29,360 –> 00:18:32,160
The house is currently listed on apartments.com for

593
00:18:32,160 –> 00:18:34,160
$2,750 a month.

594
00:18:34,560 –> 00:18:36,480
Now a knock at the door last week revealed a white

595
00:18:36,480 –> 00:18:39,360
man behind a chain door who said that he was a renter.

596
00:18:40,000 –> 00:18:41,200
Cook didn’t live there with him.

597
00:18:41,520 –> 00:18:45,280
So that means she’s committing the PRE fraud in Michigan,

598
00:18:45,440 –> 00:18:48,880
which carries a maximum fine of $5,000 and five years

599
00:18:48,880 –> 00:18:49,440
in prison.

600
00:18:50,000 –> 00:18:53,040
Governor Cook’s office is located in the Eccles Building

601
00:18:53,200 –> 00:18:55,360
on Constitution Avenue in Washington,

602
00:18:55,360 –> 00:18:55,840
D.C.

603
00:18:56,400 –> 00:18:59,440
That means her one-way commute from Ann Arbor would

604
00:18:59,440 –> 00:19:02,160
be about 521 miles,

605
00:19:02,360 –> 00:19:04,880
an 8 1/2 hour drive.

606
00:19:05,360 –> 00:19:06,240
It’s a hell of a commute.

607
00:19:06,480 –> 00:19:07,360
More likely,

608
00:19:07,600 –> 00:19:08,960
Cook lives in D.C.

609
00:19:09,280 –> 00:19:11,800
A public record search by my friend who’s a…

610
00:19:12,520 –> 00:19:15,120
Private investigator shows that a Lisa D.

611
00:19:15,120 –> 00:19:16,880
Cook, age 61,

612
00:19:17,280 –> 00:19:19,640
is living in a luxury apartment building for the past

613
00:19:19,640 –> 00:19:20,320
three years.

614
00:19:20,720 –> 00:19:22,240
It’s along the Potomac River.

615
00:19:22,760 –> 00:19:25,560
Beautiful views is in walking distance of the Federal

616
00:19:25,560 –> 00:19:25,920
Reserve.

617
00:19:26,800 –> 00:19:29,880
The apartment building boasts expansive views and yes,

618
00:19:29,880 –> 00:19:31,040
a rooftop pool.

619
00:19:31,560 –> 00:19:32,720
A basic one-bedroom,

620
00:19:32,880 –> 00:19:37,320
700 square foot apartment starts at a paltry $5,000

621
00:19:37,520 –> 00:19:38,400
a month.

622
00:19:38,960 –> 00:19:39,920
Now here’s the fallout.

623
00:19:40,160 –> 00:19:43,120
Cook has made a lot of excuses since her three-card

624
00:19:43,120 –> 00:19:44,520
mortgage money was revealed.

625
00:19:44,880 –> 00:19:46,640
First she claimed it was a clerical error.

626
00:19:46,960 –> 00:19:50,240
Then she claimed she revealed the connivance on disclosure

627
00:19:50,240 –> 00:19:52,680
papers during her confirmation process.

628
00:19:53,120 –> 00:19:56,320
Then, she claimed the mortgage scam is irrelevant because

629
00:19:56,320 –> 00:19:59,440
she committed the fraud before she began working for

630
00:19:59,440 –> 00:20:00,640
the federal government.

631
00:20:01,200 –> 00:20:04,880
The whole thing is as embarrassing as it is outrageous.

632
00:20:05,200 –> 00:20:06,880
The governor of our central bank,

633
00:20:07,200 –> 00:20:08,320
an alleged grifter,

634
00:20:08,600 –> 00:20:09,600
a prevaricator,

635
00:20:09,920 –> 00:20:10,720
a tax cheat,

636
00:20:11,040 –> 00:20:12,560
Ann Arbor Public Schools,

637
00:20:12,960 –> 00:20:14,720
funded by property taxes,

638
00:20:15,040 –> 00:20:16,560
has fallen on hard times.

639
00:20:17,000 –> 00:20:19,440
Teachers have been laid off and programs have been

640
00:20:19,440 –> 00:20:19,840
cut.

641
00:20:20,320 –> 00:20:22,480
Governor Cook needs to fess up,

642
00:20:23,040 –> 00:20:25,440
pay up, packs her bags up,

643
00:20:25,680 –> 00:20:27,200
and shut the F up.

644
00:20:29,760 –> 00:20:32,600
Live from downtown Detroit,

645
00:20:32,960 –> 00:20:37,480
it’s the No Bullshit News Hour with my main man,

646
00:20:38,200 –> 00:20:43,760
Charlie LaDa and Karen Dumas.

647
00:20:43,760 –> 00:20:46,320
It’s just a breaking news.

648
00:20:47,000 –> 00:20:48,080
No more bullshit!

649
00:20:48,360 –> 00:20:49,200
No more bullshit!

650
00:20:49,440 –> 00:20:50,240
I’m Grace Karos,

651
00:20:50,320 –> 00:20:52,560
and I’m third generation of American Coney Island.

652
00:20:52,960 –> 00:20:54,640
People say Detroit’s a comeback city.

653
00:20:54,640 –> 00:20:55,520
I say where you’ve been.

654
00:20:55,520 –> 00:20:57,200
We’ve been here for over a hundred years.

655
00:20:57,600 –> 00:20:59,520
My family’s been here on the same corner,

656
00:20:59,760 –> 00:21:03,000
serving our famous proprietary American Coney Island

657
00:21:03,000 –> 00:21:03,280
hot dog.

658
00:21:04,000 –> 00:21:04,720
So like always,

659
00:21:04,720 –> 00:21:05,760
we’re keeping things fresh,

660
00:21:05,920 –> 00:21:07,280
updated, and new.

661
00:21:09,640 –> 00:21:11,280
We’d love to have you come downtown and visit us,

662
00:21:11,360 –> 00:21:12,160
but if you can’t,

663
00:21:12,240 –> 00:21:14,400
you can always go to americanconeyisland.com,

664
00:21:14,480 –> 00:21:15,360
order a Coney kit,

665
00:21:15,360 –> 00:21:17,120
get it delivered fresh right to your door.

666
00:21:18,720 –> 00:21:21,360
Is this the hole in one?

667
00:21:21,440 –> 00:21:23,040
It’s a hole in one,

668
00:21:23,040 –> 00:21:23,680
$50,000 if you hit it.

669
00:21:25,640 –> 00:21:26,640
Luke Nowacki,

670
00:21:26,800 –> 00:21:29,200
Financial Wealth Management,

671
00:21:29,760 –> 00:21:31,680
what is 50 grand after tax?

672
00:21:35,040 –> 00:21:37,080
37,750.

673
00:21:37,080 –> 00:21:38,080
What about state tax?

674
00:21:38,560 –> 00:21:39,040
Yeah, that’s

675
00:21:39,560 –> 00:21:41,040
I’m throwing both in there.

676
00:21:41,520 –> 00:21:42,560
What about sales tax?

677
00:21:42,720 –> 00:21:43,520
There’s no sales tax.

678
00:21:43,520 –> 00:21:44,280
Well, you’re buying the beer.

679
00:21:44,280 –> 00:21:44,720
It’s income.

680
00:21:44,800 –> 00:21:45,440
You’ll buy the beer.

681
00:21:45,760 –> 00:21:46,720
Eh, we write that off.

682
00:21:47,840 –> 00:21:48,640
Luke Gowacki.

683
00:21:49,680 –> 00:21:50,880
Financial Wealth Management.

684
00:21:50,880 –> 00:21:51,480
Expense allowance.

685
00:21:52,320 –> 00:21:52,880
Well, you know,

686
00:21:52,880 –> 00:21:53,440
when it rains,

687
00:21:53,440 –> 00:21:54,360
the power goes out.

688
00:21:54,360 –> 00:21:55,600
And when the power goes out,

689
00:21:55,600 –> 00:21:56,480
the internet goes out.

690
00:21:56,480 –> 00:21:57,600
When the internet goes out,

691
00:21:57,600 –> 00:22:00,800
I call my friend Matt and Bernie at XG Service Group.

692
00:22:00,960 –> 00:22:02,800
Look at Bernie here on his hands and knees,

693
00:22:03,040 –> 00:22:04,320
giving it everything he’s got.

694
00:22:04,880 –> 00:22:06,160
Look at that man crack.

695
00:22:06,400 –> 00:22:07,280
So busy.

696
00:22:08,040 –> 00:22:09,040
He forgot to wear a belt.

697
00:22:09,040 –> 00:22:11,120
There’s Matt right there getting the board together.

698
00:22:11,120 –> 00:22:13,840
That’s 734-245-4100.

699
00:22:13,840 –> 00:22:16,640
If you need Matt and Bernie to come take care of your

700
00:22:16,640 –> 00:22:17,680
voice over internet,

701
00:22:17,840 –> 00:22:19,040
your security cameras,

702
00:22:19,200 –> 00:22:20,800
off-campus access control,

703
00:22:21,040 –> 00:22:23,400
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704
00:22:23,400 –> 00:22:24,560
they’ll design it for you.

705
00:22:24,880 –> 00:22:25,600
got restaurants,

706
00:22:25,600 –> 00:22:26,800
they do drive-thru systems,

707
00:22:26,800 –> 00:22:28,560
railroad cameras for public safety.

708
00:22:28,800 –> 00:22:32,080
Total wireless camera systems for your home and business.

709
00:22:32,320 –> 00:22:32,800
Yeah, that’s right.

710
00:22:32,800 –> 00:22:36,480
Call XG Services at 734-245-4100.

711
00:22:38,400 –> 00:22:40,000
Mark, did you know about Coney Kits?

712
00:22:41,000 –> 00:22:41,160
No.

713
00:22:41,160 –> 00:22:44,400
Okay, you go to americanconeyisland.com and you can

714
00:22:44,400 –> 00:22:47,200
get a dozen dogs delivered to you.

715
00:22:47,240 –> 00:22:49,680
The dogs are proprietary.

716
00:22:49,840 –> 00:22:50,960
You get the steamer buns,

717
00:22:51,040 –> 00:22:52,320
a Vidalia onion,

718
00:22:52,480 –> 00:22:53,360
Vidalia, bro,

719
00:22:54,200 –> 00:22:55,600
a nice hat for the kids,

720
00:22:57,680 –> 00:23:02,240
and made specifically for American Coney Island chili.

721
00:23:02,880 –> 00:23:04,320
So if you’re going to throw a party,

722
00:23:04,320 –> 00:23:05,280
just go on there,

723
00:23:05,600 –> 00:23:06,560
be right to your door.

724
00:23:06,680 –> 00:23:06,840
Okay.

725
00:23:06,840 –> 00:23:08,000
Home delivery.

726
00:23:08,040 –> 00:23:08,800
That sounds great.

727
00:23:08,880 –> 00:23:09,080
Yeah.

728
00:23:09,400 –> 00:23:10,320
And I pack them.

729
00:23:11,440 –> 00:23:13,760
So I’ll put two hats in there for you.

730
00:23:15,280 –> 00:23:15,800
Such a good guy.

731
00:23:16,240 –> 00:23:17,600
Okay, this Mark Brewer,

732
00:23:17,600 –> 00:23:20,880
the former chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party.

733
00:23:21,120 –> 00:23:22,960
Now you’re just the big time lawyer.

734
00:23:23,120 –> 00:23:23,600
I’m a lawyer,

735
00:23:23,840 –> 00:23:24,880
Charlie.

736
00:23:24,880 –> 00:23:26,160
Big time lawyer.

737
00:23:26,320 –> 00:23:27,320
What’s your specialty?

738
00:23:27,320 –> 00:23:28,360
Is it election?

739
00:23:28,760 –> 00:23:29,200
Yeah, I mean,

740
00:23:29,200 –> 00:23:30,960
that’s pretty much full time what I do now,

741
00:23:31,120 –> 00:23:31,760
election,

742
00:23:31,760 –> 00:23:32,800
campaign finance,

743
00:23:33,200 –> 00:23:34,160
nonprofits.

744
00:23:34,160 –> 00:23:35,840
I represent a lot of nonprofits as well.

745
00:23:36,240 –> 00:23:37,440
Just hanging out here,

746
00:23:37,440 –> 00:23:38,680
just watching is Jason.

747
00:23:39,043 –> 00:23:41,123
What was your title over there at the Republican?

748
00:23:41,123 –> 00:23:44,403
The executive director of the Republican Party,

749
00:23:44,403 –> 00:23:46,563
but they got to be a little bit too loony,

750
00:23:46,563 –> 00:23:47,283
so he walked away.

751
00:23:49,683 –> 00:23:52,963
How many guys like Brewer are out there?

752
00:23:54,403 –> 00:23:56,003
Oh, it’s a very short list.

753
00:23:56,163 –> 00:23:57,283
It is, isn’t it?

754
00:23:57,283 –> 00:23:59,763
So I’m not overstating when I say that’s the guy,

755
00:23:59,763 –> 00:24:00,203
that’s the guy.

756
00:24:00,203 –> 00:24:02,843
I really appreciate you being here.

757
00:24:02,963 –> 00:24:04,963
Most state party chairs you never hear about again

758
00:24:04,963 –> 00:24:06,323
unless they’re important,

759
00:24:06,323 –> 00:24:08,403
and Mark’s been important for a long time.

760
00:24:08,643 –> 00:24:10,003
Yeah, or, you know,

761
00:24:10,083 –> 00:24:11,123
they’re billionaires.

762
00:24:11,763 –> 00:24:12,403
Then you’ll hear them.

763
00:24:12,803 –> 00:24:13,843
Speaking of which,

764
00:24:17,043 –> 00:24:19,523
this governor’s race lining up,

765
00:24:19,523 –> 00:24:19,843
right?

766
00:24:21,923 –> 00:24:23,123
I guess you don’t want to pick the winner,

767
00:24:23,123 –> 00:24:24,683
but I’d say probably the leader.

768
00:24:24,683 –> 00:24:29,123
It is Jocelyn Benson and John James right now for the

769
00:24:29,123 –> 00:24:29,643
Republicans,

770
00:24:29,643 –> 00:24:30,763
Jocelyn Benson for the Democrats.

771
00:24:30,883 –> 00:24:31,763
And Mike Duggan,

772
00:24:32,363 –> 00:24:35,283
a longtime Democratic mayor of Detroit,

773
00:24:35,283 –> 00:24:36,163
Wayne County,

774
00:24:37,283 –> 00:24:38,163
He’s an independent.

775
00:24:38,643 –> 00:24:39,923
Is that going to fucking work?

776
00:24:41,003 –> 00:24:41,363
First of all,

777
00:24:41,363 –> 00:24:42,003
in this state,

778
00:24:42,323 –> 00:24:42,643
right?

779
00:24:43,203 –> 00:24:44,403
It’s a straight party.

780
00:24:44,723 –> 00:24:45,923
You can vote straight party.

781
00:24:46,243 –> 00:24:48,163
So are you really going to be able to convince that

782
00:24:48,163 –> 00:24:51,043
many Lions fans from the suburbs to,

783
00:24:51,043 –> 00:24:53,443
like, fill in all the bubbles?

784
00:24:53,963 –> 00:24:55,563
That’ll be part of his of his challenge.

785
00:24:55,563 –> 00:24:55,843
Look, John,

786
00:24:55,923 –> 00:24:56,723
I’m a Democrat.

787
00:24:57,123 –> 00:24:57,843
You know, as you pointed out,

788
00:24:57,843 –> 00:24:59,683
I was chair of the Democratic Party for 18 years.

789
00:24:59,683 –> 00:25:01,523
I’ve been involved in Democratic politics in the state

790
00:25:01,763 –> 00:25:03,043
since the late seventies.

791
00:25:03,523 –> 00:25:06,003
I stick with my party through thick and thin.

792
00:25:06,443 –> 00:25:07,603
If we need to make changes,

793
00:25:07,603 –> 00:25:09,603
we work internally to make those changes.

794
00:25:09,603 –> 00:25:11,123
We don’t leave the ship.

795
00:25:12,003 –> 00:25:13,043
That’s where I am.

796
00:25:13,083 –> 00:25:13,843
I mean, he’s a rat.

797
00:25:14,163 –> 00:25:15,123
No, not a rat.

798
00:25:15,323 –> 00:25:17,443
People are entitled to run under whatever label they

799
00:25:17,443 –> 00:25:17,763
want.

800
00:25:17,763 –> 00:25:19,923
Charlie, people are entitled to run and make their

801
00:25:19,923 –> 00:25:21,443
case to the public.

802
00:25:22,883 –> 00:25:25,123
But I’m I’m a Jocelyn Benson supporter.

803
00:25:25,203 –> 00:25:26,163
Be candid with that.

804
00:25:26,563 –> 00:25:27,603
Full disclosure here.

805
00:25:28,323 –> 00:25:29,643
I think she’d make a great governor.

806
00:25:29,643 –> 00:25:31,603
I hope she wins and I’m doing everything I can to help

807
00:25:31,603 –> 00:25:32,363
her win the primary.

808
00:25:32,363 –> 00:25:33,603
What do you guys got in store for?

809
00:25:33,843 –> 00:25:35,443
Okay, so he’s,

810
00:25:35,603 –> 00:25:36,643
Duggan’s got,

811
00:25:37,843 –> 00:25:40,763
Benson’s gonna get the hardcore Democrats and whoever

812
00:25:40,763 –> 00:25:43,603
the Republicans eventually decide on.

813
00:25:43,603 –> 00:25:46,803
We’ll get the hardcore conservatives.

814
00:25:47,683 –> 00:25:48,843
And they’re most,

815
00:25:48,843 –> 00:25:49,763
97% of people,

816
00:25:49,763 –> 00:25:50,003
when they,

817
00:25:50,083 –> 00:25:50,403
you know,

818
00:25:50,403 –> 00:25:51,603
they lean one way or the other.

819
00:25:51,883 –> 00:25:52,683
There’s only 3%

820
00:25:52,803 –> 00:25:55,203
that are truly independents and that’s not enough

821
00:25:55,203 –> 00:25:55,843
to swing.

822
00:25:56,003 –> 00:25:56,483
So

823
00:25:58,483 –> 00:25:59,523
Where’s Duggan’s runway?

824
00:26:00,163 –> 00:26:02,043
Charlie, you probably have to have another guest talk

825
00:26:02,043 –> 00:26:03,643
to you about all this stuff because as I said,

826
00:26:03,683 –> 00:26:07,443
I can’t be impartial on all of this because I’m with

827
00:26:07,443 –> 00:26:08,003
Benson.

828
00:26:08,483 –> 00:26:09,763
But you’re asking good questions,

829
00:26:09,763 –> 00:26:11,403
but I’m probably not the person to answer them.

830
00:26:11,403 –> 00:26:12,643
What do you guys got in store for him?

831
00:26:12,643 –> 00:26:14,403
It’s going to be like a bunch of grainy footage.

832
00:26:14,403 –> 00:26:15,683
You’ll have to talk to the campaign.

833
00:26:15,683 –> 00:26:18,843
Big time, big time urban scammy boss.

834
00:26:18,843 –> 00:26:19,523
I’m just the lawyer.

835
00:26:19,723 –> 00:26:21,603
I’m just the lawyer.

836
00:26:22,323 –> 00:26:23,123
I’m just the lawyer.

837
00:26:23,203 –> 00:26:25,363
Listen, I was thinking about starting out like a super

838
00:26:25,363 –> 00:26:25,763
PAC.

839
00:26:26,523 –> 00:26:29,043
where I would take money from the left and the right.

840
00:26:29,043 –> 00:26:30,603
I’m entitled to do that under Michigan law.

841
00:26:30,603 –> 00:26:31,203
Can you help me?

842
00:26:31,363 –> 00:26:32,643
I mean, I don’t know the law.

843
00:26:32,643 –> 00:26:33,123
You know the law.

844
00:26:33,123 –> 00:26:34,763
Can I bring you aboard?

845
00:26:34,763 –> 00:26:37,363
Lots of good information online.

846
00:26:38,083 –> 00:26:39,603
Super PACs are very transparent.

847
00:26:39,603 –> 00:26:41,443
You’d have to disclose where you got your money and

848
00:26:41,443 –> 00:26:42,243
what you spend it on.

849
00:26:42,723 –> 00:26:43,643
Like a year later,

850
00:26:43,843 –> 00:26:44,563
the super PAC,

851
00:26:44,563 –> 00:26:47,323
you have to report your donors a year later,

852
00:26:47,323 –> 00:26:47,563
right?

853
00:26:48,403 –> 00:26:49,683
You report them periodically.

854
00:26:49,683 –> 00:26:50,803
It’s not a year later.

855
00:26:50,963 –> 00:26:53,123
There’s a reporting schedule under Michigan law.

856
00:26:53,363 –> 00:26:54,963
Sometimes it’s as much as quarterly.

857
00:26:55,043 –> 00:26:56,443
Do you have to disclose the donors?

858
00:26:56,523 –> 00:26:56,803
Yes.

859
00:26:58,243 –> 00:26:58,883
Quarterly?

860
00:27:00,483 –> 00:27:00,723
Is that?

861
00:27:00,723 –> 00:27:01,683
Depending on the year.

862
00:27:01,683 –> 00:27:02,843
Sometimes it’s quarterly,

863
00:27:02,843 –> 00:27:04,323
sometimes it’s semi-annually,

864
00:27:04,723 –> 00:27:07,123
but they all get disclosed pretty promptly.

865
00:27:07,203 –> 00:27:09,923
Well, what’s your retainer and what do you charge an

866
00:27:09,923 –> 00:27:10,163
hour?

867
00:27:11,923 –> 00:27:13,043
Absolutely me and my clients,

868
00:27:13,043 –> 00:27:13,203
Jerry.

869
00:27:13,203 –> 00:27:15,123
Well, I’m thinking of hiring you.

870
00:27:15,123 –> 00:27:17,123
Well, we can have a private conversation after we’re

871
00:27:17,123 –> 00:27:17,363
done.

872
00:27:17,523 –> 00:27:18,443
Grainy video.

873
00:27:18,443 –> 00:27:19,123
We should come up with it.

874
00:27:19,123 –> 00:27:21,043
What’s the name of my super PAC?

875
00:27:21,683 –> 00:27:22,403
Enough’s enough,

876
00:27:22,403 –> 00:27:23,203
says LeDuff.

877
00:27:24,323 –> 00:27:25,123
Fix the shit.

878
00:27:27,563 –> 00:27:28,283
Could you imagine?

879
00:27:28,403 –> 00:27:29,363
Could you imagine?

880
00:27:29,443 –> 00:27:32,163
Okay, because we make all these really awesome videos,

881
00:27:32,243 –> 00:27:32,723
Ken and I.

882
00:27:33,283 –> 00:27:35,043
And then we just make,

883
00:27:35,683 –> 00:27:37,323
like we’d get a billboard.

884
00:27:37,323 –> 00:27:39,083
It’d be like Doug and like up north.

885
00:27:39,123 –> 00:27:42,563
He’s like got all the billboards and it says like most

886
00:27:42,563 –> 00:27:43,283
effective mayor.

887
00:27:43,283 –> 00:27:44,243
And I just put crook.

888
00:27:44,843 –> 00:27:45,843
I just put crook on it.

889
00:27:46,163 –> 00:27:47,443
would be like 5 seconds.

890
00:27:47,523 –> 00:27:49,123
So if I made all these commercials

891
00:27:50,123 –> 00:27:52,083
And then I bought all the commercial time during the

892
00:27:52,083 –> 00:27:52,643
news.

893
00:27:52,803 –> 00:27:55,443
So my campaign commercials are actually the news.

894
00:27:55,643 –> 00:27:57,523
And the news is just murder that,

895
00:27:57,683 –> 00:27:57,843
you know,

896
00:27:57,843 –> 00:27:59,643
nobody seems to tabulate in the city.

897
00:27:59,643 –> 00:28:00,523
What do you think?

898
00:28:01,523 –> 00:28:03,243
If that’s your fantasy and you can raise the money

899
00:28:03,243 –> 00:28:03,603
to do it,

900
00:28:03,763 –> 00:28:04,243
good luck.

901
00:28:04,323 –> 00:28:06,763
Okay, you want to give me your number?

902
00:28:06,763 –> 00:28:07,883
Anybody looking for an election,

903
00:28:07,883 –> 00:28:09,243
Laurie, you can call Mark Brewer.

904
00:28:09,243 –> 00:28:10,243
Go ahead and give me your number,

905
00:28:10,243 –> 00:28:10,523
free plug.

906
00:28:10,523 –> 00:28:11,883
No, you can find me online.

907
00:28:11,883 –> 00:28:14,323
He can track me down.

908
00:28:17,923 –> 00:28:18,883
So scuttlebutt,

909
00:28:18,883 –> 00:28:19,043
I…

910
00:28:20,163 –> 00:28:22,243
I heard this,

911
00:28:23,083 –> 00:28:23,883
what I do for a living.

912
00:28:23,923 –> 00:28:26,043
So I’m talking to some prominent Democrats.

913
00:28:26,043 –> 00:28:26,963
See, I know so,

914
00:28:27,523 –> 00:28:28,243
by the way,

915
00:28:29,043 –> 00:28:29,563
Democrat,

916
00:28:29,563 –> 00:28:30,963
when are you going to come back and get me?

917
00:28:31,203 –> 00:28:32,523
You guys lost me here.

918
00:28:32,523 –> 00:28:33,683
When are you going to come get me?

919
00:28:34,683 –> 00:28:35,043
Come get me,

920
00:28:35,043 –> 00:28:35,203
you know,

921
00:28:35,203 –> 00:28:36,243
blue collar,

922
00:28:36,643 –> 00:28:37,603
right in the middle,

923
00:28:37,683 –> 00:28:40,083
fair day’s wage for fair day’s work,

924
00:28:40,243 –> 00:28:41,043
that kind of stuff.

925
00:28:41,203 –> 00:28:42,803
Stay out of my church,

926
00:28:42,883 –> 00:28:44,243
stay out of my bedroom.

927
00:28:44,403 –> 00:28:44,963
You know what I mean?

928
00:28:45,123 –> 00:28:46,483
Leave the taxes alone.

929
00:28:46,643 –> 00:28:48,083
We not want good schools.

930
00:28:48,163 –> 00:28:49,283
I want safety.

931
00:28:49,443 –> 00:28:50,043
How about that?

932
00:28:50,043 –> 00:28:51,683
When are you guys gonna come get me?

933
00:28:52,803 –> 00:28:55,763
Well, listen to the program of whatever the candidates

934
00:28:55,763 –> 00:28:56,003
are.

935
00:28:56,003 –> 00:28:56,763
Maybe it’s Senate,

936
00:28:56,763 –> 00:28:58,003
maybe it’s governor,

937
00:28:58,003 –> 00:28:58,643
whatever it is,

938
00:28:58,643 –> 00:28:59,603
your local state rep,

939
00:28:59,603 –> 00:29:00,803
your member of Congress,

940
00:29:01,363 –> 00:29:02,803
and if you decide to vote Democratic,

941
00:29:03,363 –> 00:29:03,763
thank you.

942
00:29:05,923 –> 00:29:07,843
That’s nice.

943
00:29:08,163 –> 00:29:08,843
They always ask,

944
00:29:08,843 –> 00:29:10,323
but nobody ever says thank you.

945
00:29:11,363 –> 00:29:12,323
What a gentleman.

946
00:29:12,643 –> 00:29:13,043
Cigarette?

947
00:29:13,683 –> 00:29:14,483
No, don’t smoke,

948
00:29:14,483 –> 00:29:14,843
Charlie.

949
00:29:14,843 –> 00:29:15,403
Never have.

950
00:29:15,403 –> 00:29:16,123
Can we change that?

951
00:29:16,123 –> 00:29:18,243
I want to be able to smoke in the restaurants again.

952
00:29:21,683 –> 00:29:23,123
Remember when you can smoke on planes?

953
00:29:24,563 –> 00:29:24,683
Yeah.

954
00:29:24,683 –> 00:29:27,923
Okay, you can smoke on planes and then they changed

955
00:29:27,923 –> 00:29:29,763
the law and you had to smoke in the back of the plane.

956
00:29:29,923 –> 00:29:30,083
Yeah.

957
00:29:30,243 –> 00:29:31,043
Oh yeah, I remember that.

958
00:29:31,203 –> 00:29:32,243
Who came up with that?

959
00:29:32,643 –> 00:29:32,883
Yeah, well,

960
00:29:33,163 –> 00:29:35,243
there’s a divider like COVID.

961
00:29:36,243 –> 00:29:36,843
I, by the way,

962
00:29:36,843 –> 00:29:38,203
I was just in Oklahoma over the weekend.

963
00:29:38,203 –> 00:29:39,763
You can still smoke in bars there.

964
00:29:40,403 –> 00:29:41,043
I sat down,

965
00:29:41,043 –> 00:29:41,643
had an ash drive.

966
00:29:41,643 –> 00:29:41,963
I was like,

967
00:29:41,963 –> 00:29:42,883
wow, it still exists.

968
00:29:42,883 –> 00:29:45,163
You know, you can drink in the pickup truck as long

969
00:29:45,163 –> 00:29:45,883
as you’re not driving.

970
00:29:46,483 –> 00:29:47,923
Yeah, genuine.

971
00:29:48,163 –> 00:29:48,363
Yep.

972
00:29:48,803 –> 00:29:49,123
Nice.

973
00:29:50,163 –> 00:29:51,523
Sorry, I derailed the program again.

974
00:29:51,523 –> 00:29:53,123
Okay, so the stutterbut I was hearing,

975
00:29:53,123 –> 00:29:58,323
Mark, is some prominent Democrats are worried that

976
00:29:58,483 –> 00:30:01,603
the Jocelyn Benson campaign is stumbling along.

977
00:30:02,003 –> 00:30:05,843
And she doesn’t get it together,

978
00:30:05,843 –> 00:30:06,563
they’re worried,

979
00:30:06,563 –> 00:30:06,883
right?

980
00:30:06,883 –> 00:30:08,323
So the talk was,

981
00:30:08,723 –> 00:30:09,843
if it’s bad,

982
00:30:10,083 –> 00:30:14,483
the Democrats would welcome Mike Duggan back and

983
00:30:15,963 –> 00:30:17,123
try to make him the front runner.

984
00:30:17,203 –> 00:30:19,083
Are you guys willing to take Mike Duggan back?

985
00:30:19,123 –> 00:30:20,563
Charlie, that’s above my pay grade.

986
00:30:20,563 –> 00:30:21,603
No, how about just for you then?

987
00:30:21,603 –> 00:30:23,683
No, no, I’m not a party officer anymore.

988
00:30:23,683 –> 00:30:25,203
I don’t make those kind of decisions.

989
00:30:25,243 –> 00:30:26,803
I’m not running the Benson campaign,

990
00:30:27,123 –> 00:30:28,163
just an election lawyer.

991
00:30:28,563 –> 00:30:30,803
So there’s other folks you should ask that question

992
00:30:30,843 –> 00:30:32,163
of, I’m not the one.

993
00:30:32,403 –> 00:30:33,203
Okay, sorry.

994
00:30:33,403 –> 00:30:36,483
Let’s just imagine like 15 years ago,

995
00:30:37,843 –> 00:30:41,843
somebody left the party and ran as an independent.

996
00:30:41,843 –> 00:30:43,083
How would you feel about that?

997
00:30:44,363 –> 00:30:45,523
Again, I told you earlier,

998
00:30:45,603 –> 00:30:46,203
a Democrat,

999
00:30:46,203 –> 00:30:47,523
you should stick with the Democratic Party.

1000
00:30:47,523 –> 00:30:48,563
I can read between that,

1001
00:30:48,563 –> 00:30:50,283
man, because you’re a hit,

1002
00:30:50,283 –> 00:30:50,563
man.

1003
00:30:50,563 –> 00:30:51,363
You see what he’s doing,

1004
00:30:51,723 –> 00:30:52,163
dugging in.

1005
00:30:52,323 –> 00:30:55,123
You know, the Democratic Governors Association already

1006
00:30:55,123 –> 00:30:57,363
put 3 million bucks up to take this guy out.

1007
00:30:58,243 –> 00:30:58,843
I read that.

1008
00:30:58,843 –> 00:31:00,323
This, oh, this is going to be,

1009
00:31:00,723 –> 00:31:01,763
this is going to be something,

1010
00:31:01,763 –> 00:31:02,163
isn’t it?

1011
00:31:02,163 –> 00:31:03,003
It’s going to be really good.

1012
00:31:03,043 –> 00:31:04,203
Let’s see how it all plays out.

1013
00:31:04,203 –> 00:31:05,563
It’s a long way to the election.

1014
00:31:05,563 –> 00:31:07,243
It’s 14 months to the election,

1015
00:31:07,243 –> 00:31:07,603
Charlie.

1016
00:31:08,003 –> 00:31:09,723
As Jason can tell you and others can tell you,

1017
00:31:09,723 –> 00:31:11,523
a lot can happen in 14 months.

1018
00:31:11,523 –> 00:31:11,923
Let me see.

1019
00:31:11,923 –> 00:31:13,603
Jason, can a lot happen in 14 months?

1020
00:31:13,603 –> 00:31:13,843
Anything.

1021
00:31:14,803 –> 00:31:15,443
Right again?

1022
00:31:16,843 –> 00:31:17,403
Right again.

1023
00:31:17,443 –> 00:31:19,603
Now you know who’s wrong again?

1024
00:31:20,803 –> 00:31:22,163
Oh boy, hit it.

1025
00:31:34,243 –> 00:31:35,603
Oh boy.

1026
00:31:35,683 –> 00:31:36,803
So what do we have here?

1027
00:31:36,803 –> 00:31:37,843
Remember the fake electors,

1028
00:31:37,843 –> 00:31:41,923
the 15 fake Republican electors charged five years

1029
00:31:41,923 –> 00:31:42,163
ago.

1030
00:31:42,483 –> 00:31:43,363
Quick background.

1031
00:31:43,683 –> 00:31:44,803
Can you explain it to the audience?

1032
00:31:45,603 –> 00:31:46,243
Well, sure.

1033
00:31:46,243 –> 00:31:46,403
Yeah.

1034
00:31:47,083 –> 00:31:48,163
Who they were and what was it like?

1035
00:31:48,163 –> 00:31:49,523
Well, Biden had won the election.

1036
00:31:49,523 –> 00:31:49,763
Yeah.

1037
00:31:49,763 –> 00:31:51,283
And under our constitution,

1038
00:31:51,683 –> 00:31:54,243
the Democratic electors in the state were to assemble

1039
00:31:54,243 –> 00:31:56,363
at the state Capitol on designated day to cast the

1040
00:31:56,363 –> 00:31:57,123
electoral votes.

1041
00:31:57,843 –> 00:32:00,803
These fake electors with their fake credentials tried

1042
00:32:00,803 –> 00:32:02,803
to get into the Capitol and say,

1043
00:32:02,803 –> 00:32:05,483
no, we’re the proper electors and we’re gonna cast

1044
00:32:05,483 –> 00:32:07,603
these electoral votes and you’re gonna send those

1045
00:32:07,603 –> 00:32:08,403
to the Congress.

1046
00:32:09,163 –> 00:32:11,203
You know, nobody’s ever tried that before.

1047
00:32:11,403 –> 00:32:13,123
The election results had been certified.

1048
00:32:13,483 –> 00:32:15,163
No recount had been asked for.

1049
00:32:15,163 –> 00:32:17,283
It was clear that Biden had won.

1050
00:32:18,083 –> 00:32:22,403
So this was a scheme and it was a nationwide scheme.

1051
00:32:22,483 –> 00:32:24,883
Trump tried this in several other states as well.

1052
00:32:24,923 –> 00:32:26,723
Giuliani brought a suitcase.

1053
00:32:26,963 –> 00:32:28,803
Yeah, where these people showed up with these,

1054
00:32:28,883 –> 00:32:29,203
you know,

1055
00:32:29,523 –> 00:32:32,483
fake documents claiming that they were the electors.

1056
00:32:33,603 –> 00:32:36,203
It’s unfortunate that people engage in that kind of

1057
00:32:36,203 –> 00:32:36,803
activity.

1058
00:32:37,123 –> 00:32:39,723
They’re welcome to file a recount against the election.

1059
00:32:39,723 –> 00:32:41,123
They’re welcome to make protests,

1060
00:32:41,523 –> 00:32:46,483
but to fake and claim that you are a duly certified

1061
00:32:46,843 –> 00:32:47,923
elector, you know,

1062
00:32:47,923 –> 00:32:48,803
beyond the pale,

1063
00:32:48,963 –> 00:32:49,443
beyond the pale.

1064
00:32:49,443 –> 00:32:53,283
I’m not familiar with the case in terms of the prosecution

1065
00:32:53,283 –> 00:32:53,843
that was brought,

1066
00:32:53,923 –> 00:32:55,523
but clearly what they did was wrong.

1067
00:32:55,763 –> 00:32:59,363
The defense was,

1068
00:32:59,363 –> 00:32:59,923
well, look,

1069
00:32:59,923 –> 00:33:00,883
we’re convening.

1070
00:33:01,523 –> 00:33:06,643
And this is a contingency document that if it happens

1071
00:33:06,643 –> 00:33:10,163
to be that Michigan’s results are overturned,

1072
00:33:10,163 –> 00:33:13,843
we will be the Republican slate of electors,

1073
00:33:14,003 –> 00:33:17,123
and it’s up to the Senate to decide,

1074
00:33:17,123 –> 00:33:18,003
right, the state Senate,

1075
00:33:18,003 –> 00:33:19,283
if they wanted to accept it.

1076
00:33:19,283 –> 00:33:20,803
So that was the defense,

1077
00:33:21,443 –> 00:33:23,363
which is nonsense,

1078
00:33:23,603 –> 00:33:26,243
because there is already a set of Republican electors.

1079
00:33:26,523 –> 00:33:28,243
And had the election results been changed,

1080
00:33:28,243 –> 00:33:31,563
they would have been powered legally to cast the electoral

1081
00:33:31,563 –> 00:33:31,923
votes.

1082
00:33:31,923 –> 00:33:35,643
This stunt that these 15 fake electors pulled was nothing

1083
00:33:35,643 –> 00:33:36,123
more than that.

1084
00:33:36,123 –> 00:33:36,883
It was a stunt.

1085
00:33:37,203 –> 00:33:39,043
It showed disrespect for the process,

1086
00:33:39,043 –> 00:33:39,563
for the law,

1087
00:33:39,563 –> 00:33:41,243
and was completely unnecessary.

1088
00:33:41,243 –> 00:33:41,683
It was wrong.

1089
00:33:41,843 –> 00:33:45,123
Again, I’m not familiar with the aspects of the criminal

1090
00:33:45,123 –> 00:33:45,763
prosecution.

1091
00:33:45,843 –> 00:33:47,043
I think I’d agree with you there.

1092
00:33:47,123 –> 00:33:48,243
I do, you know.

1093
00:33:49,603 –> 00:33:51,123
But the charges,

1094
00:33:51,123 –> 00:33:54,003
it was against the eight charges each

1095
00:33:54,803 –> 00:33:59,043
15 people it’s like 120 felonies and the charges were

1096
00:33:59,123 –> 00:34:02,483
forgery and fraud and as a lawyer you know you have

1097
00:34:02,483 –> 00:34:06,803
to show intent to defraud and the judge ruled in this

1098
00:34:06,803 –> 00:34:11,283
case that there there was no intent to defraud that

1099
00:34:11,363 –> 00:34:15,763
these were people redressing their grievances and

1100
00:34:16,083 –> 00:34:20,163
they didn’t forge any documents they created document

1101
00:34:20,163 –> 00:34:22,883
but they didn’t use the state seal so that after five

1102
00:34:22,883 –> 00:34:23,443
years the

1103
00:34:24,123 –> 00:34:26,843
The judge told them to take a fucking walk.

1104
00:34:26,843 –> 00:34:28,723
And like, these are a lot of old people.

1105
00:34:28,723 –> 00:34:31,443
And that’s hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal

1106
00:34:31,443 –> 00:34:31,763
fees.

1107
00:34:31,763 –> 00:34:34,403
So do we have a little bit of the yeah,

1108
00:34:35,283 –> 00:34:36,643
the judge watch this.

1109
00:34:36,643 –> 00:34:39,163
Nestle actually actually gets laughed out of court

1110
00:34:39,163 –> 00:34:39,363
here.

1111
00:34:39,363 –> 00:34:39,523
Watch.

1112
00:34:39,923 –> 00:34:42,883
They clearly stated that they and this was right after,

1113
00:34:42,883 –> 00:34:45,043
I guess, after the December 14th meeting where they

1114
00:34:45,043 –> 00:34:48,123
said they were executing their constitutional right

1115
00:34:48,123 –> 00:34:50,883
to allow the senators of the state of Michigan

1116
00:34:52,323 –> 00:34:54,963
to receive an alternate slate and then the senators

1117
00:34:54,963 –> 00:34:57,203
could take further action.

1118
00:34:58,643 –> 00:34:59,603
They didn’t say,

1119
00:35:00,163 –> 00:35:00,563
first of all,

1120
00:35:00,563 –> 00:35:02,403
I don’t know anybody doing a press conference after

1121
00:35:02,403 –> 00:35:03,763
their committee to fraud,

1122
00:35:06,563 –> 00:35:08,083
but to the extent that that’s what we’re gonna do.

1123
00:35:09,603 –> 00:35:09,763
Whoa.

1124
00:35:10,403 –> 00:35:12,123
So it’s all intent.

1125
00:35:12,123 –> 00:35:13,523
I mean, why are they bringing it?

1126
00:35:13,843 –> 00:35:15,163
I respect the judicial system,

1127
00:35:15,443 –> 00:35:18,403
unlike our president and many of his MAGA followers,

1128
00:35:18,723 –> 00:35:20,243
I respect the judge’s decision.

1129
00:35:21,083 –> 00:35:22,323
Again, I haven’t had a chance to read it.

1130
00:35:22,323 –> 00:35:24,803
I may or may not agree with it.

1131
00:35:25,283 –> 00:35:25,763
But again,

1132
00:35:25,763 –> 00:35:27,763
I think clearly the bottom line here is that these

1133
00:35:27,763 –> 00:35:28,763
were election deniers.

1134
00:35:30,003 –> 00:35:31,283
They shouldn’t have done what they did.

1135
00:35:31,283 –> 00:35:32,243
It was a stunt.

1136
00:35:32,883 –> 00:35:35,643
I understand there may be a civil lawsuit pending to

1137
00:35:35,643 –> 00:35:38,563
hold them liable civilly as opposed to criminally.

1138
00:35:39,123 –> 00:35:40,723
But these are the kind of acts that people should be

1139
00:35:40,723 –> 00:35:41,923
held accountable for.

1140
00:35:42,443 –> 00:35:44,963
It’s the kind of thing that Rudy Giuliani and a lot

1141
00:35:44,963 –> 00:35:46,963
of other lawyers who ran around the country filing

1142
00:35:46,963 –> 00:35:50,403
frivolous lawsuits that all of which got thrown out

1143
00:35:50,403 –> 00:35:50,883
of court.

1144
00:35:51,323 –> 00:35:53,363
And some of those lawyers have subsequently been disbarred,

1145
00:35:53,683 –> 00:35:55,043
like Giuliani and others,

1146
00:35:55,203 –> 00:35:56,643
there’s still proceedings in Michigan.

1147
00:35:57,363 –> 00:35:59,803
seeking to disbar some of these attorneys who filed

1148
00:35:59,803 –> 00:36:00,883
this frivolous litigation.

1149
00:36:01,203 –> 00:36:03,363
People have got to show respect for the results.

1150
00:36:03,523 –> 00:36:05,523
There are ways to challenge election results.

1151
00:36:05,923 –> 00:36:08,163
Recounts, chief one here in Michigan.

1152
00:36:09,203 –> 00:36:10,643
Trump never asked for a recount,

1153
00:36:10,883 –> 00:36:12,163
never questioned the results.

1154
00:36:12,483 –> 00:36:15,043
Instead, he has people running around performing these

1155
00:36:15,043 –> 00:36:16,323
political stunts,

1156
00:36:16,563 –> 00:36:17,763
disrespecting the system.

1157
00:36:17,923 –> 00:36:20,803
You didn’t see Democrats doing that in 2024.

1158
00:36:21,043 –> 00:36:23,363
You didn’t have a group of Democratic fake electors

1159
00:36:23,603 –> 00:36:25,323
show up at the Capitol and say,

1160
00:36:25,323 –> 00:36:27,203
oh, no, the election was fraudulent,

1161
00:36:27,683 –> 00:36:30,403
and we’re here to cast the Democratic votes for Kamala

1162
00:36:30,403 –> 00:36:30,963
Harris.

1163
00:36:31,363 –> 00:36:32,563
We respected the system.

1164
00:36:32,883 –> 00:36:35,123
And I would hope that the Republicans and the MAGA

1165
00:36:35,123 –> 00:36:37,003
Republicans would show the same respect.

1166
00:36:37,003 –> 00:36:38,083
See, as a guy in the middle,

1167
00:36:38,083 –> 00:36:39,763
I want everybody to respect it.

1168
00:36:40,003 –> 00:36:42,363
And like, you don’t hear me like election tonight.

1169
00:36:42,363 –> 00:36:45,523
In fact, I processed the most absentee ballots in the

1170
00:36:45,523 –> 00:36:46,963
state of Michigan in 2020.

1171
00:36:47,203 –> 00:36:48,003
And I was there.

1172
00:36:48,243 –> 00:36:50,083
And whatever you think,

1173
00:36:50,203 –> 00:36:51,603
whatever you want to think out there,

1174
00:36:51,843 –> 00:36:52,803
for sure,

1175
00:36:53,123 –> 00:36:57,203
150,000 ballots did not come in at 4:00 in the morning.

1176
00:36:57,283 –> 00:36:58,403
That’s right.

1177
00:36:58,643 –> 00:36:59,603
And I see no,

1178
00:37:00,243 –> 00:37:04,083
credible evidence that some mass fraud.

1179
00:37:04,363 –> 00:37:04,883
There was none.

1180
00:37:04,883 –> 00:37:07,603
I worked at Cobo Center.

1181
00:37:07,603 –> 00:37:08,963
I still call it Cobo Center.

1182
00:37:10,003 –> 00:37:11,203
There, I was there for those,

1183
00:37:11,523 –> 00:37:12,243
not the first day,

1184
00:37:12,243 –> 00:37:13,603
but I was there the entire second day.

1185
00:37:14,003 –> 00:37:16,603
It was entirely legitimate above board operation.

1186
00:37:16,603 –> 00:37:18,043
There were plenty of Democratic.

1187
00:37:18,043 –> 00:37:19,203
Let me throw this in there now.

1188
00:37:19,203 –> 00:37:21,843
I don’t know if the Russians

1189
00:37:22,483 –> 00:37:26,563
buried a fiber optic cable underneath Jefferson Avenue

1190
00:37:26,563 –> 00:37:27,843
and ran it up into the computer.

1191
00:37:27,843 –> 00:37:28,563
I don’t know that.

1192
00:37:28,563 –> 00:37:31,203
I just know that all these votes didn’t come in.

1193
00:37:31,363 –> 00:37:32,323
So having said that,

1194
00:37:32,563 –> 00:37:33,443
I’ll agree with you.

1195
00:37:33,603 –> 00:37:34,083
See that?

1196
00:37:34,083 –> 00:37:35,203
Look at me right down the middle.

1197
00:37:35,443 –> 00:37:40,803
But I also see the weaponization of Dana Nestle’s office

1198
00:37:41,043 –> 00:37:41,603
because

1199
00:37:42,283 –> 00:37:43,243
and I know,

1200
00:37:43,243 –> 00:37:44,803
and she goddamn knows,

1201
00:37:44,803 –> 00:37:46,963
you have to show intent.

1202
00:37:47,203 –> 00:37:53,243
Now, this is what she told a group via Zoom in 2023.

1203
00:37:53,243 –> 00:37:53,763
Do we have that,

1204
00:37:53,763 –> 00:37:54,043
Mert?

1205
00:37:54,323 –> 00:37:56,163
These are people who have been brainwashed.

1206
00:37:56,603 –> 00:37:57,843
And when I say brainwash,

1207
00:37:58,243 –> 00:38:01,523
how do you flip someone who concedes that they did

1208
00:38:01,523 –> 00:38:03,603
everything that they’re accused of doing,

1209
00:38:04,243 –> 00:38:06,163
but what they say is,

1210
00:38:06,403 –> 00:38:08,323
we believe that we were in the right.

1211
00:38:08,643 –> 00:38:11,083
We think that Donald Trump is the real winner of the

1212
00:38:11,083 –> 00:38:11,563
election.

1213
00:38:11,563 –> 00:38:13,203
They legit believe that.

1214
00:38:13,443 –> 00:38:14,723
They genuinely believe it.

1215
00:38:14,723 –> 00:38:15,923
So how do you,

1216
00:38:15,923 –> 00:38:16,163
how do you,

1217
00:38:16,163 –> 00:38:18,483
somebody can’t even plead guilty if they wanted to

1218
00:38:18,483 –> 00:38:23,603
because they can’t admit that what they did violated

1219
00:38:23,603 –> 00:38:25,603
the law because they still think they’re right.

1220
00:38:26,723 –> 00:38:28,243
Wow, so again,

1221
00:38:28,563 –> 00:38:30,403
you have to show intent and the judge,

1222
00:38:30,403 –> 00:38:31,603
I respect the process,

1223
00:38:31,683 –> 00:38:33,123
like when we can’t decide,

1224
00:38:33,603 –> 00:38:35,043
we go to our wisest people,

1225
00:38:35,043 –> 00:38:36,243
we call them the judges,

1226
00:38:36,243 –> 00:38:36,483
yeah?

1227
00:38:38,083 –> 00:38:41,123
She’s not because she told the whole world these people

1228
00:38:41,443 –> 00:38:43,683
don’t, did not have the intent to defraud.

1229
00:38:43,843 –> 00:38:45,843
So why did we bring this case for five years?

1230
00:38:46,163 –> 00:38:47,683
That’s a question for Dana Nestle.

1231
00:38:47,763 –> 00:38:48,323
Charlie, look.

1232
00:38:48,483 –> 00:38:49,763
She won’t take my calls,

1233
00:38:49,763 –> 00:38:50,203
Mark.

1234
00:38:50,243 –> 00:38:52,243
Well, then you need to figure that out.

1235
00:38:52,683 –> 00:38:53,363
That’s your issue,

1236
00:38:53,363 –> 00:38:54,003
not mine.

1237
00:38:54,523 –> 00:38:56,323
Look, the system worked here.

1238
00:38:57,203 –> 00:38:58,403
People had their day in court,

1239
00:38:58,483 –> 00:38:59,763
prosecutors made its case,

1240
00:38:59,763 –> 00:39:00,763
the defense made its case,

1241
00:39:00,763 –> 00:39:02,003
and we have a judicial decision,

1242
00:39:02,203 –> 00:39:03,363
which may or may not be appealed.

1243
00:39:03,363 –> 00:39:04,403
We’ll see how that goes.

1244
00:39:04,963 –> 00:39:06,243
But the same thing too,

1245
00:39:06,243 –> 00:39:07,443
Charlie, with Lisa Cook.

1246
00:39:07,763 –> 00:39:09,883
Look, nobody,

1247
00:39:09,883 –> 00:39:11,363
starting with the president of the United States,

1248
00:39:11,363 –> 00:39:12,603
should be judge,

1249
00:39:12,603 –> 00:39:13,923
juror, and executioner.

1250
00:39:14,403 –> 00:39:16,323
If he has allegations to make against Lisa Cook,

1251
00:39:16,443 –> 00:39:17,403
there’s a place to make those.

1252
00:39:17,403 –> 00:39:19,923
That’s in court where she can defend herself.

1253
00:39:19,923 –> 00:39:20,723
You know, we do,

1254
00:39:20,723 –> 00:39:21,163
even you,

1255
00:39:21,203 –> 00:39:22,243
Charlie, have the right to

1256
00:39:22,723 –> 00:39:26,003
be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

1257
00:39:26,643 –> 00:39:28,643
And we’re going to work that process through.

1258
00:39:29,203 –> 00:39:30,403
She’s entitled to that.

1259
00:39:30,723 –> 00:39:33,203
These fake electors were entitled to that.

1260
00:39:33,203 –> 00:39:34,203
They had their day in court.

1261
00:39:34,523 –> 00:39:36,483
Frankly, in Trump’s view,

1262
00:39:36,803 –> 00:39:39,203
people wouldn’t get that day in court.

1263
00:39:39,203 –> 00:39:40,843
He would become judge,

1264
00:39:40,843 –> 00:39:42,163
juror, and executioner.

1265
00:39:42,883 –> 00:39:43,403
And, you know,

1266
00:39:43,443 –> 00:39:44,203
the courts be darned.

1267
00:39:44,203 –> 00:39:45,803
Well, we’re going to find out if he can,

1268
00:39:45,803 –> 00:39:46,043
right?

1269
00:39:46,043 –> 00:39:48,363
Because he’s trying in the real world,

1270
00:39:48,363 –> 00:39:49,363
outside of politics,

1271
00:39:49,363 –> 00:39:49,843
people get

1272
00:39:50,483 –> 00:39:53,203
fired all the time for shit that had nothing to do

1273
00:39:53,203 –> 00:39:54,883
with the job they do.

1274
00:39:55,763 –> 00:39:58,723
Well, and one of the reasons I defend the labor movement

1275
00:39:58,723 –> 00:40:01,123
and I’m a union lawyer as well as a people should

1276
00:40:01,123 –> 00:40:03,043
have due process in the workplace.

1277
00:40:03,363 –> 00:40:06,883
They should have a right to challenge unjust discipline

1278
00:40:07,203 –> 00:40:09,123
and be able to go before an arbitrator,

1279
00:40:09,123 –> 00:40:09,843
for example,

1280
00:40:10,243 –> 00:40:12,203
and have that discipline overturned or have their

1281
00:40:12,203 –> 00:40:13,443
discharge overturned.

1282
00:40:13,843 –> 00:40:15,843
That’s one of the protections we fight for on behalf

1283
00:40:15,843 –> 00:40:17,123
of working people here in Michigan.

1284
00:40:17,123 –> 00:40:18,363
You know who didn’t get justice?

1285
00:40:18,363 –> 00:40:19,523
I tell you who didn’t get justice.

1286
00:40:19,523 –> 00:40:21,683
Flint didn’t get any justice because,

1287
00:40:21,683 –> 00:40:22,083
you know,

1288
00:40:22,083 –> 00:40:22,443
hit it.

1289
00:40:25,683 –> 00:40:26,243
Yeah.

1290
00:40:29,123 –> 00:40:31,083
People living along the Midland Dam didn’t get any

1291
00:40:31,083 –> 00:40:31,403
justice.

1292
00:40:36,803 –> 00:40:38,803
Barbara Vawasa didn’t get any justice.

1293
00:40:38,883 –> 00:40:40,323
You know, what’s her name?

1294
00:40:40,403 –> 00:40:41,283
Luann Simon?

1295
00:40:42,643 –> 00:40:45,443
Michigan State University president?

1296
00:40:46,163 –> 00:40:47,443
Nestle took her to court,

1297
00:40:47,443 –> 00:40:50,403
said, you knew about Nassar and you lied to investigators

1298
00:40:50,403 –> 00:40:51,363
about when you knew it.

1299
00:40:51,683 –> 00:40:54,243
went all the way to the court of appeals and they called

1300
00:40:54,643 –> 00:40:56,803
that prosecution a sham.

1301
00:40:57,003 –> 00:40:58,203
There was no evidence.

1302
00:40:58,323 –> 00:41:02,323
It was punitive just to punish Michigan State University

1303
00:41:02,403 –> 00:41:03,443
for Larry Nassar.

1304
00:41:03,603 –> 00:41:04,483
The courts,

1305
00:41:04,523 –> 00:41:05,123
a sham.

1306
00:41:06,563 –> 00:41:07,603
Again, I agree with you.

1307
00:41:07,603 –> 00:41:09,603
We can’t have any of this shit weaponized,

1308
00:41:09,923 –> 00:41:10,163
right?

1309
00:41:10,323 –> 00:41:11,123
Locally.

1310
00:41:11,963 –> 00:41:14,123
And people have recourse if they think they’ve been

1311
00:41:14,123 –> 00:41:15,323
improperly prosecuted.

1312
00:41:15,323 –> 00:41:17,043
I talk about in Dana Nestle’s defense.

1313
00:41:17,363 –> 00:41:19,123
She’s also done a great job in many cases.

1314
00:41:19,123 –> 00:41:19,923
At last count,

1315
00:41:20,243 –> 00:41:23,203
I think we’re well over a billion dollars in monies

1316
00:41:23,203 –> 00:41:25,843
that she has protected coming to Michigan that Trump

1317
00:41:25,843 –> 00:41:26,643
wanted to take away.

1318
00:41:26,803 –> 00:41:27,363
So, you know,

1319
00:41:27,363 –> 00:41:28,603
give her her day in court,

1320
00:41:28,603 –> 00:41:29,283
too, Charlie.

1321
00:41:29,443 –> 00:41:30,803
She’s done a lot of good things.

1322
00:41:30,803 –> 00:41:32,363
You can legitimately criticize her.

1323
00:41:32,363 –> 00:41:33,643
Oh, I’d like to give her a day in court.

1324
00:41:33,643 –> 00:41:34,243
And we can,

1325
00:41:34,363 –> 00:41:34,563
you know,

1326
00:41:34,563 –> 00:41:36,483
go back and forth on her record.

1327
00:41:36,803 –> 00:41:37,723
But, you know,

1328
00:41:37,723 –> 00:41:39,123
I think we need to be fair to her.

1329
00:41:39,123 –> 00:41:40,803
She’s done a good job in many other things.

1330
00:41:43,923 –> 00:41:45,603
I’m trying to be fair.

1331
00:41:45,763 –> 00:41:47,923
Yeah, it’s not adding up.

1332
00:41:48,803 –> 00:41:49,603
Billion dollars.

1333
00:41:49,603 –> 00:41:52,963
Wait, were those suits brought solely by Dana Nestle?

1334
00:41:52,963 –> 00:41:55,443
She was part of this is very common.

1335
00:41:56,083 –> 00:41:56,803
And you know,

1336
00:41:56,843 –> 00:41:59,243
I’m very grateful to the Democratic attorneys general

1337
00:41:59,243 –> 00:42:02,083
around the country who are collectively pursuing these

1338
00:42:02,083 –> 00:42:04,563
lawsuits on behalf of their states.

1339
00:42:04,883 –> 00:42:07,843
And they have been very successful in protecting these

1340
00:42:07,843 –> 00:42:10,483
resources that Congress has already appropriated.

1341
00:42:11,683 –> 00:42:12,963
to state governments,

1342
00:42:12,963 –> 00:42:14,163
to state universities.

1343
00:42:14,483 –> 00:42:16,563
And Trump thinks he’s got the right to your lobby.

1344
00:42:16,563 –> 00:42:17,123
Stop it.

1345
00:42:17,523 –> 00:42:21,203
So Nestle and her colleagues have repeatedly sued very

1346
00:42:21,203 –> 00:42:24,083
successfully to make sure these funds continue to

1347
00:42:24,083 –> 00:42:25,843
flow as Congress intended.

1348
00:42:26,003 –> 00:42:26,723
Dana Nestle.

1349
00:42:28,883 –> 00:42:29,923
Okay, last one.

1350
00:42:30,003 –> 00:42:30,563
And by the way,

1351
00:42:30,563 –> 00:42:30,963
thank you,

1352
00:42:30,963 –> 00:42:31,763
Mark Brewer.

1353
00:42:32,843 –> 00:42:34,563
This guy got to be $1,000 an hour.

1354
00:42:35,523 –> 00:42:36,203
Easily.

1355
00:42:36,323 –> 00:42:37,043
Oh, geez.

1356
00:42:37,043 –> 00:42:37,683
Not remotely,

1357
00:42:37,683 –> 00:42:38,083
Charlie.

1358
00:42:38,083 –> 00:42:38,803
Not remotely.

1359
00:42:39,043 –> 00:42:39,683
2000?

1360
00:42:41,123 –> 00:42:41,843
Lower, lower,

1361
00:42:41,843 –> 00:42:42,403
lower, much,

1362
00:42:42,443 –> 00:42:43,043
much lower.

1363
00:42:43,523 –> 00:42:44,523
Selling yourself short,

1364
00:42:44,523 –> 00:42:44,803
brother.

1365
00:42:45,283 –> 00:42:46,723
Okay, last one.

1366
00:42:46,723 –> 00:42:47,083
Thank you,

1367
00:42:47,083 –> 00:42:47,843
Mark Brewer,

1368
00:42:47,923 –> 00:42:49,043
so much for being here.

1369
00:42:49,123 –> 00:42:50,083
You’re really a,

1370
00:42:51,683 –> 00:42:53,123
that’s a guy I trust.

1371
00:42:53,443 –> 00:42:54,043
You know what I mean?

1372
00:42:54,963 –> 00:42:56,723
Because you can’t know everything in my business.

1373
00:42:56,723 –> 00:42:59,123
Like, that’s the guy that knows election law.

1374
00:42:59,523 –> 00:43:01,083
So world class,

1375
00:43:01,083 –> 00:43:01,763
thanks for being here.

1376
00:43:02,563 –> 00:43:03,523
Before I let you go,

1377
00:43:03,763 –> 00:43:07,643
again, you haven’t named me a Supreme Court order

1378
00:43:07,643 –> 00:43:10,163
that Donald Trump has thumbed his nose at.

1379
00:43:11,203 –> 00:43:11,843
Give me another one.

1380
00:43:13,043 –> 00:43:13,603
Garcia’s back.

1381
00:43:13,603 –> 00:43:14,243
Give me another one.

1382
00:43:14,243 –> 00:43:15,243
What’s another one?

1383
00:43:15,443 –> 00:43:18,763
Well, he thumbed his nose until finally he did obey

1384
00:43:18,763 –> 00:43:18,883
it.

1385
00:43:18,883 –> 00:43:19,763
Come on, Charlie.

1386
00:43:19,843 –> 00:43:20,643
Well, you know.

1387
00:43:20,963 –> 00:43:22,803
And it’s and it’s lower court orders as well.

1388
00:43:23,203 –> 00:43:24,003
I mean, they’re just,

1389
00:43:24,243 –> 00:43:24,563
you know,

1390
00:43:24,563 –> 00:43:27,203
you can go online and see the list of the lawsuits

1391
00:43:27,203 –> 00:43:29,603
and the orders and Trump’s lawyers go back to court

1392
00:43:29,603 –> 00:43:30,323
and say, well,

1393
00:43:30,563 –> 00:43:31,923
that’s not quite what the order meant.

1394
00:43:32,083 –> 00:43:34,843
Oh, the plane took off before the judge issued the

1395
00:43:34,843 –> 00:43:35,203
order.

1396
00:43:35,203 –> 00:43:38,283
We can’t get those people back that we sent to someplace

1397
00:43:38,283 –> 00:43:39,363
that they never came from.

1398
00:43:39,363 –> 00:43:39,563
Yeah.

1399
00:43:39,843 –> 00:43:40,603
There’s a lot of games

1400
00:43:40,723 –> 00:43:41,123
going on.

1401
00:43:41,123 –> 00:43:41,603
And frankly,

1402
00:43:41,603 –> 00:43:44,003
the Department of Justice under this president has

1403
00:43:44,003 –> 00:43:47,843
lost a lot of respect among judges and among lawyers.

1404
00:43:48,363 –> 00:43:49,803
That used to be a nonpartisan,

1405
00:43:49,803 –> 00:43:51,283
nonpolitical operation.

1406
00:43:51,523 –> 00:43:52,803
Wasn’t used for punitive.

1407
00:43:52,803 –> 00:43:53,883
Talk about weaponization,

1408
00:43:53,883 –> 00:43:54,323
Charlie.

1409
00:43:54,563 –> 00:43:57,043
That is exactly what Trump is doing with the Department

1410
00:43:57,043 –> 00:43:57,523
of Justice.

1411
00:43:58,003 –> 00:44:00,963
He’s weaponizing it to punish his political enemies.

1412
00:44:01,123 –> 00:44:02,483
That’s the kind of thing we got to stop.

1413
00:44:02,643 –> 00:44:04,163
Wait, OK, OK.

1414
00:44:04,403 –> 00:44:05,323
I thought we were.

1415
00:44:05,323 –> 00:44:06,403
Let’s accept that it’s true.

1416
00:44:06,403 –> 00:44:08,323
But like, what about like.

1417
00:44:09,443 –> 00:44:12,643
The Obama administration and the Biden administration

1418
00:44:12,643 –> 00:44:15,283
and the Russian hoax and you name it.

1419
00:44:17,443 –> 00:44:18,283
It’s all shit,

1420
00:44:18,283 –> 00:44:18,643
dude.

1421
00:44:18,843 –> 00:44:19,843
No, it’s not all shit,

1422
00:44:19,843 –> 00:44:20,243
Charlie.

1423
00:44:20,723 –> 00:44:21,763
The system works.

1424
00:44:22,003 –> 00:44:23,923
Sometimes prosecutions are successful,

1425
00:44:23,923 –> 00:44:25,123
sometimes they’re not.

1426
00:44:25,443 –> 00:44:27,203
And it should be even handed that way.

1427
00:44:27,443 –> 00:44:29,683
People should not be targeted for their political views.

1428
00:44:29,683 –> 00:44:30,243
And that’s again,

1429
00:44:30,243 –> 00:44:31,123
back to Lisa Cook.

1430
00:44:31,443 –> 00:44:32,443
That’s exactly what’s going on.

1431
00:44:32,443 –> 00:44:33,763
It’s how we started this podcast.

1432
00:44:34,203 –> 00:44:36,083
He’s trying to take over the Federal Reserve.

1433
00:44:36,643 –> 00:44:38,883
And so he has people go out and look for things that

1434
00:44:38,883 –> 00:44:40,483
they can accuse Lisa Cook of.

1435
00:44:40,883 –> 00:44:42,843
Other people are not being prosecuted for the same

1436
00:44:42,843 –> 00:44:43,523
alleged crimes,

1437
00:44:43,763 –> 00:44:46,483
but he’s after Lisa Cook because he wants to be able

1438
00:44:46,483 –> 00:44:49,363
to appoint his puppet to the Federal Reserve so he

1439
00:44:49,363 –> 00:44:49,923
can control it.

1440
00:44:49,923 –> 00:44:50,883
That’s exactly what’s going on.

1441
00:44:50,883 –> 00:44:52,603
You got to keep back to the bigger picture.

1442
00:44:52,603 –> 00:44:55,083
And you know how it really works and what’s damaged

1443
00:44:55,083 –> 00:44:57,123
beyond belief is media,

1444
00:44:57,443 –> 00:44:57,683
right?

1445
00:44:57,683 –> 00:44:59,203
Because let’s say Pulte.

1446
00:45:00,083 –> 00:45:01,443
starts digging through records,

1447
00:45:01,443 –> 00:45:03,203
finds this bullshit,

1448
00:45:03,683 –> 00:45:04,563
and they throw it out there.

1449
00:45:04,563 –> 00:45:05,443
Well, I would expect,

1450
00:45:05,523 –> 00:45:07,203
here’s what Reuters is doing.

1451
00:45:07,363 –> 00:45:10,883
Reuters found out that Pulte’s parents are pulling

1452
00:45:10,883 –> 00:45:11,683
the same shit.

1453
00:45:11,843 –> 00:45:16,843
And you need the media to be in there to be an arbiter,

1454
00:45:16,843 –> 00:45:17,283
right?

1455
00:45:17,283 –> 00:45:18,243
Keep it fair.

1456
00:45:18,483 –> 00:45:20,563
And when we’re picking sides,

1457
00:45:21,523 –> 00:45:25,763
Or you’ve got a president that sues you to try to intimidate

1458
00:45:25,763 –> 00:45:25,843
you.

1459
00:45:25,843 –> 00:45:27,043
I would never get there.

1460
00:45:27,083 –> 00:45:27,843
And I’ve seen that,

1461
00:45:27,923 –> 00:45:28,403
unfortunately,

1462
00:45:28,403 –> 00:45:30,883
with so many media outlets that they get sued for

1463
00:45:30,883 –> 00:45:31,843
libel or defamation,

1464
00:45:31,843 –> 00:45:32,403
they settle,

1465
00:45:32,403 –> 00:45:33,843
they kowtow to the president,

1466
00:45:33,843 –> 00:45:34,803
they change their programming,

1467
00:45:34,803 –> 00:45:37,683
they fire hosts that they think have offended the

1468
00:45:37,683 –> 00:45:38,243
president.

1469
00:45:38,563 –> 00:45:39,523
So I applaud.

1470
00:45:39,523 –> 00:45:42,563
We need a free and vigorous and independent media in

1471
00:45:42,563 –> 00:45:43,003
this country.

1472
00:45:43,003 –> 00:45:47,603
This is but one lawsuit that Duggan’s people file,

1473
00:45:47,643 –> 00:45:48,643
I mean, defamation.

1474
00:45:48,643 –> 00:45:49,203
Like what?

1475
00:45:49,443 –> 00:45:51,163
You’re a public officer.

1476
00:45:51,163 –> 00:45:51,683
What are you talking?

1477
00:45:51,723 –> 00:45:52,963
And this has to do with your job.

1478
00:45:54,003 –> 00:45:58,723
And it had the effect of the station manager shutting

1479
00:45:58,723 –> 00:46:01,763
down any investigation into what’s going on in the

1480
00:46:01,763 –> 00:46:02,243
city hall.

1481
00:46:02,243 –> 00:46:04,003
And now you see absolutely none of it.

1482
00:46:04,003 –> 00:46:06,563
That is the consequence of

1483
00:46:07,123 –> 00:46:07,683
Given in.

1484
00:46:08,163 –> 00:46:09,483
Don’t know about that by particular laws,

1485
00:46:09,763 –> 00:46:10,323
Charlie.

1486
00:46:10,323 –> 00:46:11,123
But in general,

1487
00:46:11,123 –> 00:46:11,683
no thanks.

1488
00:46:11,923 –> 00:46:12,643
But in general,

1489
00:46:13,443 –> 00:46:13,843
you know,

1490
00:46:13,843 –> 00:46:14,843
we need a,

1491
00:46:15,163 –> 00:46:17,123
again, a free press.

1492
00:46:17,123 –> 00:46:20,003
And there’s a broad protection under the free speech

1493
00:46:20,403 –> 00:46:23,323
provisions of the Constitution to protect you and

1494
00:46:23,323 –> 00:46:25,523
others like you in terms of trying to do your jobs.

1495
00:46:25,683 –> 00:46:26,923
And like 60 minutes,

1496
00:46:27,123 –> 00:46:27,843
why did you give in?

1497
00:46:27,843 –> 00:46:29,203
Okay, it was a shit edit.

1498
00:46:29,363 –> 00:46:30,323
It was a shit edit.

1499
00:46:30,563 –> 00:46:31,923
We edit all the time.

1500
00:46:32,363 –> 00:46:33,283
It’s all right to edit.

1501
00:46:33,523 –> 00:46:35,603
Well, you didn’t make her look as dumb as she’s supposed

1502
00:46:35,603 –> 00:46:36,003
to be.

1503
00:46:36,163 –> 00:46:38,563
That’s not your purview to decide.

1504
00:46:39,123 –> 00:46:39,723
Unbelievable.

1505
00:46:39,723 –> 00:46:40,403
Thank you so much,

1506
00:46:40,403 –> 00:46:40,563
man.

1507
00:46:40,963 –> 00:46:41,683
Charlie, good to see you.

1508
00:46:41,683 –> 00:46:41,923
Okay, man.

1509
00:46:42,003 –> 00:46:43,283
You’re going to be busy.

1510
00:46:43,763 –> 00:46:44,163
Mark Brewer,

1511
00:46:44,163 –> 00:46:50,083
we’ll see you next week from the bowels of the Detroit

1512
00:46:50,083 –> 00:46:50,403
River.

1513
00:46:50,483 –> 00:46:51,203
I know.